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harmerj Guest Contributor 84 posts since
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04-Apr-2010 12:41

The fluency paradox

Hello everyone,

 

recently I have started to offer a presentation (at conferences etc) called 'The Fluency Paradox'. My aim is to try and offer pointers to the following conundrums (paradoxes, perhaps)

 

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How come some students become fluent and others don't (I mean from the same classroom groups)

 

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How come students become fluent despite some very un'communicative' learning?

 

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How comes some students DON'T become fluent despite some very 'communicative' learning?

 

Asking these questions has lead me into some very interesting areas. But I wonder what your take is. Do you think there is 'a way' to make students fluent? Is fluency something that can be taught. or does it reside in each individual's head and attitude?

 

That's my question, and I'd love to hear what yu have to say about it!!

 

Jeremy

  • Carolyn Ho Newbie 2 posts since
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    1. 04-Apr-2010 16:50 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    Big questions, Jeremy.  In fact, they are so big that I'm having a hard time finding my footing in those questions!  A lot of terms come into mind: learning styles, motivation, individual language ability, environmental influence, group dynamics, cognitive, teaching method, communicative teaching, etc.  The questions can probably generate at least 20 doctoral dissertations! 

     

    To start with, I'm interested in some parameters.  I have been looking up recent studies and publications, and they, as you can imagine, tend to study a subset of learners, characteristics, or phenomena.  So, might you be referring to children or adult learners?  Might the learning environment be an "English as a foreign language" or "English as a second/third/fourth language" setting?

     

    Carolyn

  • Nick Dawson Pearson Longman 182 posts since
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    2. 05-Apr-2010 13:57 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    Hi Jeremy,

    Yes, it is a paradox. I tend to feel that fluent speakers are created by good listeners. If the speaker feels that their output is being understood and valued, then the speaker will gain confidence, not only in their linguistic ability, but also their ability to say something which is interesting and valued by others.

     

    I think that teachers need to become more supportive listeners, but also to train their students to become better listeners.  The authors of Lifestyle Intermediate have an interesting unit based on the difference between "Yes, but..." and "Yes, and ..." as reponses to a statement. They point out that "Yes, but ..." tends to close conversations, whereas "Yes, and ..." tends to sustain and develop conversations.

     

    As a general rule, it would be useful to make "Yes, and ..." a regular classroom conversational strategy. "Yes, ..." shows the speaker that he/she has been understood, "Yes, and ..." shows that the listener also supports the idea which the speaker has expressed.

     

    In Stephen Potter's humorous book "Oneupmanship", he quotes "Yes, but not in the south." as a technique to defeat any speaker in a conversation. As he points out "Yes, but not in the south" demostrates that the listener not only knows the topic of the speaker's statement, but knows more about the topic than the speaker! As Stephen Potter explains "south" can be replaced by other words or phrases, so "Yes, but not in December" or "Yes, but not for women" can work equally effectively to KILL a conversation and humiliate the speaker.

     

    In our classrooms we don't want to kill conversations but to support and sustain them. So, if we want our students to become fluent, we must all become better and more supportive listeners!

     

    On the topic of fluency, I remember a phrase in a letter from a prisoner in a Turkish jail. He was using his time in prison to learn English. He said, "I want my English to flow like a mountain stream."

     

    Regards,

    Nick     

  • Amir Abbass Ravayee Apprentice 210 posts since
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    5. 06-Apr-2010 14:47 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    Dear Jeremy,

     

    That's an excellent topic.I think that's because of the teachers' methodology and having more accuracy activities and less fluency activities.

     

    Some teachers always check to make sure if students can understand and use the language in a controlled way before being expected to try to use it creatively in a fluency activity. That's why they don't give a safe environment for students to practice fluency. So some students don't understand that accuracy and fluency carry equal importance. They come to the class with negative expectations and are always worried about making mistakes, fear of criticism or losing face. But some students have learnt that they can experiment and be creative with language. They are less concerned with accuracy and more concerned with the effectiveness and flow of the communication.

     

    Amir

  • Nick Dawson Pearson Longman 182 posts since
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    6. 06-Apr-2010 19:06 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    Years ago, we tried to face the problem of fluency in writing. We realised that the problem was hesitancy in writing. Then we understood that the hesitancy was caused by brain overload - students were trying to think about CONTENT and LANGUAGE at the same time. The solution to challenge of fluency in writing was "process writing" in which students planned content, researched language, organised structure, drafted and then editied a text, before fluently writing the final text.

     

    Can we find the solution to oral fluency through a similar process? I think it was Alan Maley who talked about the "rehearsal voice" - the silent voice inside your head, which can be used for drafting and editing oral output before we actually speak. Personally, I use my rehearsal voice for planning and timing a joke before giving the joke its first public performance.

     

    Are we confusing fluency with spontaneity? I remember a conversation with the great Robert O'Neill. I had been watching one of his lessons and I noticed that after a reading text, he read the comprehension aloud to the students. He argued that as far as oral production is concerned, the greatest challenge for students is TIME. By reading the comprehension questions aloud, he was giving the students a chance to hear the words of the questions, and TIME to plan their answers before the questions were asked. Students hesitate because of brain overload. Robert's technique allowed students to use "process speaking" akin to process writing.

     

    I don't think that "prepared speech" is the total answer, but success at prepared speech can build confidence towards spontaneous speech.

    Regards

    Nick 

  • Amir Abbass Ravayee Apprentice 210 posts since
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    7. 07-Apr-2010 04:55 (in response to Nick Dawson)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    Dear Nick,

     

    That's a brilliant comment. I agree with you because we have to pay attention to students' characteristics, too. I mean some students are reflective who need to be given time before they answer and some are impulsive who are able to respond immediately.

     

    Amir

  • ana gauchita Newbie 5 posts since
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    8. 13-Apr-2010 05:29 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    Hi there, very interesting topic....have you added the presentation somewhere? 

  • Betty Davis Novice 11 posts since
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    9. 13-Apr-2010 12:24 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    I really believe it is about confidence and not being afraid to keep speaking not worrying if you get it wrong, that's all part of the learining too. If you have put up a barrier thinking you are not good at languages, or you're too old etc then you won't ever get to the point of fluency. It's all in the mind I believe!

  • Fernanda Farina Rotondano de Oliveira Novice 37 posts since
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    10. 21-Apr-2010 05:26 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    Dear Jeremy,

     

    Whenever the subject is fluency I can't help but ask myself: But... is this guy fluent in his mother tongue too?

    I think this is a big influence on second or foreign language fluency .

    I might be wrong....

  • Arash Vahidi Novice 14 posts since
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    11. 30-Apr-2010 18:49 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    Hi Jeremy,

     

    It's a very challenging question....I think much of this fluency depends on the performance of the teacher. A teacher can help students become fluent in a number of ways. The initial action he should take is seek the source of their fluency barrier (it might be different from student to student or from class to class). For some, it might be the fear of the very idea of talking for more than one minute because they have never done so! In this case, the teacher can act as a psychologist and help them believe themselves and build their confidence. Practise can solve this problem. For some others, it is simply the lack of information about a specific or, sometimes, any topic. These students who suffer from shortage of information can be persuaded to read more and more. The teacher can even whisper, in advance, the topic of discussion (for the next session) to them so that they will become able to speak more comfortably. Another solution is they can be asked to write about a topic which is going to be discussed the following session so that they can feel more confident , but they should be convinced not to memorize the sentences since it worsens the problem by making them dependent. Also, the teahcer herself can play short model conversations and ask students to follow her sample. In short, by removing these psychological barriers, a teacher can initiate students into speaking more fluently.

     

    Then, it is important that they learn how to speak coherently. The problem of many students is that they don't know how to start talking about a topic, how to support what they already said, and, finally, how to end their speech. To tackle this problem, a teacher can show them some model conversatons, or he himself can have a planned monologue in the class and ask the students to take notes. After playing the model, the teacher can focus on the model played and analyse its different parts from how it started, how it proceeded, and how it ended. The teacher can also point out the linking words which helped to a smoother flow of speech. Afterwards, he can give them some exercises and teach them how to use those structures and linking words. Besides, I believe that there is a very close connection between writing and fluency since a good and fluent conversation ca be very similar to a coherent writing. Therefore, it is a good idea if the teacher analyses some model writings (which are of course close to the spoken language) and analyse its different parts in the class.

     

    Arash

  • Ana Rush Novice 27 posts since
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    12. 12-May-2010 03:37 (in response to harmerj)
    Re: The fluency paradox

    I think ,Jeremy, this is a big question without an easy answer.First of all, I think that the teacher must show interest and encourage students to speak by offering interesting material:topics and themes that would interest the students in class.If both teachers and students are interested, they are bound to want to say something.At first maybe some students will be able to say very little perhaps making lots of mistakes. If you insist that the mistakes do not matter while you are doing a conversation class, the students will be encouraged to speak and many a time they will be carried away with the topic and gain confidence. I never correct while  they are speaking.I leave the correction for  a later time when I am doing grammar or vocabulary. The speaking skill needs a space and time for students to develop their fluency. We must devote to it and not let it come alone because it won't. I feel that some students do not feel comfortable speaking in front of their peers because of a personality trait or because they seem to prefer a different learning style but this is because they feel they are not up to it. It is here that the teacher must do her utmost to get those students involved little by little.In the long run, they will speak. However,the students who travelled abroad  for some time and came back  to their own country with exactly the same command of the language as when they left is a different question. First of all, they didn't  get immersed in the new culture,they didn't get interested in the language and didn't speak nor listen to natives of the English Language when they spoke to them. It all boils down to the students' attitude when given the chance to improve their language.There is always the question of frustration:" I am never going to speak like that",which has been instilled in all foreign students.

  • Elizaveta Larina Newbie 2 posts since
    13-May-2010

    I agree with Fernanda  completely. I always check out my students' native language abilities. Some of them are succinct or reserved.Some - narrow-minded or introverted. In this case teaching them to speak fluently becomes a serious problem. A teacher has to turn into a psychologist here rather than  a tutor.

    So when it comes to fluency, we have to ask ourselves, 'What truly prevents this  student from speaking?' Isn't he/ she simply shy? Is it a complex developed after a trip to the USA(for instance) where his/her colleague was seen in a more advantageous light due to the language knowledge? Judging from my experience,  we often lack subjects to talk on or knowledge about events in the world. This problem has arisen with my adult students, not once.

    Students are not motivated sometimes to talk about relationships (that has been discussed already thousands times by women and men tend not to disuss them at all), children are only interesting for those who have them, healthy lifestyle, traffic in the city, the environment? A choice of topics is limited. However,  when it comes to literature, science, business issues, ordinary people lack subject matter for talking, they are not at a loss for words, they are at a loss for ideas.

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